DUST Search - Zion waves the white flag

Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:

Forlorn Destrier wrote:

Foxhound Elite wrote:

SoLJae wrote:

Ahhh, so we capitulated with the goal in mind of a bigger success in the future.

In other words...we won.

Go Zion!

I think the original post kind of counters what you've just said.
Shall we get the kill-posts up in here? Not to mention counting Zions vs SI's ISK loss, which was substantial on your side.

enjoy the move from one crumbling alliance to another one about to be stomped on.

http://i.imgur.com/WKbcI.gif

I already posted the kills, and SI managed 3 total since Saturday, while we killed the 10 that showed up to fight. Not only that, but of the ISK spent on ships during this war, 67% of all losses were from SI, not ZTCD. In case you missed the report:

http://ziontcd.eve-kill.net/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=20519

Fail troll is fail.

Um... Doesn't it clearly state that Zion lost almost twice as much ISK as SI did? At least those are the numbers I'm seeing on the link.

That said, good luck to SI in their continuing war. Cool


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Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2013.02.06 19:43:00 - [1] - Quote For the official record, we did not surrender. ZionTCD has just created and joined Legacy Rising Alliance, which we have been building for the last several weeks. As part of the game mechanics, the creation of this alliance invalidated the war. Why would we surrender when we were winning the war, after all? http://ziontcd.eve-kill.net/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=20519
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2013.02.06 19:44:00 - [2] - Quote Sebastian Seraphim wrote: Magpie Raven wrote: Noooooooooo! That was a short one. Was the war solely declared due to the fact that Shad wanted points for the tourney? Given that SI declared war on us, I would say no.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2013.02.06 19:45:00 - [3] - Quote Sebastian Seraphim wrote: Ah I see. So does that mean we're still technically at war? We are for 24 hours - we have entered a mandatory cool down period that happens when a war is invalidated, so we can still shoot at each other for that time. Also, you are welcome to declare war again if you like, however the price just went up.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2013.02.06 19:52:00 - [4] - Quote Sebastian Seraphim wrote: Thanks for the reply. To be honest I'm just inquiring as to what's going on because I haven't been on for 3 days. Could you explain to me what you mean by the price went up? Do war declarations require a starting fee? I use to play EVE in SI, but we never got to the point of ending up in a war when I was in, this stuff is just new to me. Yes, there is a fee to declare war, and declaring war on an alliance is more expensive. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wars "How much does a wardec cost? It costs 50 million isk, plus an additional cost for each member in the target corporation/alliance above 51. It will now start to increase with the 51st member and reach the ceiling of 500 million ISK at 2000 members." Once the other charter members have had their Eve representatives apply to the alliance, we will have approximately 600 total members in the alliance, as opposed to the 300 or so currently in ZionTCD alone.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2013.02.06 19:54:00 - [5] - Quote Foxhound Elite wrote: SoLJae wrote: Ahhh, so we capitulated with the goal in mind of a bigger success in the future. In other words...we won. Go Zion! I think the original post kind of counters what you've just said. Shall we get the kill-posts up in here? Not to mention counting Zions vs SI's ISK loss, which was substantial on your side. enjoy the move from one crumbling alliance to another one about to be stomped on. http://i.imgur.com/WKbcI.gif I already posted the kills, and SI managed 3 total since Saturday, while we killed the 10 that showed up to fight. Not only that, but of the ISK spent on ships during this war, 67% of all losses were from SI, not ZTCD. In case you missed the report: http://ziontcd.eve-kill.net/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=20519 Fail troll is fail.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2013.02.06 22:11:00 - [6] - Quote Sir Meode wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: I already posted the kills, and SI managed 3 total since Saturday, while we killed the 10 that showed up to fight. Not only that, but of the ISK spent on ships during this war, 67% of all losses were from SI, not ZTCD. In case you missed the report: http://ziontcd.eve-kill.net/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=20519 Fail troll is fail. i dont know where you got that from but that is so far wrong its funny From the killmails in Eve, seeing as how I'm director and can see all corp kills and losses, all of which were API verified and pulled automatically to eve-kill from my API key - including all kills and losses for corp.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2013.02.06 22:16:00 - [7] - Quote PAUL BERNARD wrote: wars dont invalidate when you join an alliance, it transfers to the alliance too. if they surrendered they surrendered. We didn't join an alliance, we created one. That said, it is a bug that has been reported to CCP.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2013.02.06 22:33:00 - [8] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Why was there so little damage to each other, I know you both have enough isk to actually throw down Most of our Eve pilots are very young in game and don't have expensive ships - the ships being lost (on our side) are by these younger pilots. Also, because they are younger, they don't have the Skill Points, ISK, and Firepower to kill the more expensive ships that SI has brought - so they kill what they can. Think fighting against a proto assault suit in a militia suit, but being able to see recognize you are outclassed from a longer range (unlike in Dust where you sometimes have to be within 20 meters to see what kind of suit you are up against, sniping excluded for one of the best snipers in the game :P ).
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2013.02.06 23:07:00 - [9] - Quote Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: Foxhound Elite wrote: SoLJae wrote: Ahhh, so we capitulated with the goal in mind of a bigger success in the future. In other words...we won. Go Zion! I think the original post kind of counters what you've just said. Shall we get the kill-posts up in here? Not to mention counting Zions vs SI's ISK loss, which was substantial on your side. enjoy the move from one crumbling alliance to another one about to be stomped on. http://i.imgur.com/WKbcI.gif I already posted the kills, and SI managed 3 total since Saturday, while we killed the 10 that showed up to fight. Not only that, but of the ISK spent on ships during this war, 67% of all losses were from SI, not ZTCD. In case you missed the report: http://ziontcd.eve-kill.net/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=20519 Fail troll is fail. Um... Doesn't it clearly state that Zion lost almost twice as much ISK as SI did? At least those are the numbers I'm seeing on the link. That said, good luck to SI in their continuing war. At the time I posted it, we had a 67% efficiency rating based on ISK - this means that we killed 67% of the total ISK killed in the war. Since that was posted, we lost a battleship lowing our rating to 30%, though we still lead in total number of kills. I could chose to use ship kill % for the effiecency rating as well (which I didn't in this case). Had I done this, our rating would be 70%, meaning that 70% of total kills in this war were by a member of ZTCD.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2013.02.06 23:10:00 - [10] - Quote Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote: It is a fact that you lead in kills; however, although I don't play EVE myself, I think ISK is more important, isn't it? It really depends on your perspective as to which is more important. I think both stats are equally important.

Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2013.02.06 23:19:00 - [11] - Quote Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote: It is a fact that you lead in kills; however, although I don't play EVE myself, I think ISK is more important, isn't it? It really depends on your perspective as to which is more important. I think both stats are equally important. Well, if I lose more ships but also have more ISK, I can easily buy the same ones or something else. On the other hand, you wouldn't be able to replenish your forces that quickly, due to more ISK getting lost and the higher costs of ships destroyed. I don't know about general EVE population's stance on this, but here is my perspective. And this is why I believe SI has an advantage at this moment. Part of the reason I don't put as much weight in ISK (for this war anyway) is that losing a single battleship can heavily sway the numbers. To me this makes it an unreliable way to say one team is doing better than the other - it does not account for pilot skill/error over an extended period of time. Now, if the engagement were wider - meaning that the number of kills was a significant number (I think we can agree less than 20 total kills is pretty insignificant) then ISK would weigh more heavily in my mind. And to clarify, I would feel this way were the numbers reversed. That said, I definately understand where you are coming from.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2013.02.06 23:46:00 - [12] - Quote Mr Turtlez wrote: ISK is the only thing that matters. If you kill 1000 T1 rifters and we kill 1 titan we still win the war. The comparison isn't the same. You are talking extremes whereas I am talking when they are closer together, and there isn't a significant push one way or the other.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2013.02.06 23:51:00 - [13] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: interesting. Zion claims to be the victor when they clearly surrendered. I dont know about you but in my opinion when you are about to win you dont stop. Except you are really stupid. Hey Cloud - good to see you. There was a glitch in the alliance creation process that caused all war decs to be dropped. A petition with CCP has been opened.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2013.02.06 23:52:00 - [14] - Quote achiever wrote: you call this a kb https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=warning&l=http%3a%2f%2fziontcd.eve-kill.net%2f%3fa%3dcc_detail%26amp%3bctr_id%3d20519&domain=eve-kill.net here a kb http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=alon+blackhelm you corp need some work go get some moms and titans and a few carriers and go try too take over some null sec space then let see how that kb looks Never claimed our players who are 2 months old had learned the finer parts of PvP yet. Good try though.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2013.02.07 00:01:00 - [15] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: then it shouldnt be a problem to start it all over again. Only if thats actually the case. I've already told them that they are welcome to send another wardec to us, as they were the ones who started this one.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2013.02.07 00:50:00 - [16] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: any other retired eve pilots look at this and think it resembles 2 toddlers screaming and scratching at each other? It would be better if you kept the eve stuff on the eve forums, I play dust to escape internet spaceship epeens, most retired pilots have more kills then both your alliances put together. I agree, I have no idea why SI decided to post this on Dust forums instead of Eve forums.